Last year, The Luna Brothers (Jonathan and Joshua), broke onto the scene with ULTRA, an examination of super heroism as a form of celebrity from the point of four super heroines who just so happen to be best friends. Call it “Sex in the spandex-clad Metropolis,” if you will. The series has been praised for both its approach in storytelling and its artwork, and has caught the attention of fanboys and fangirls alike with its mix of humor, sex, romance, and fortune-telling. While we’re on the topic of sex in film and TV, a friend was talking over how they were reading this article on https://lovegasm.co/blogs/sex/sex-toys-in-tv-and-film going into extensive information on sex toys in media content and about how media creators have now started to depict most things sexually related in various forms of entertainment.
With a trade paperback of ULTRA on the way (due April 27th), and the upcoming release of the first issue of their latest project, GIRLS (May 25th), the brothers took the time to chat with Fanboy Planet about everything from Chuck Palahniuk to a live action ULTRA film, and back again.
Mario Anima: Beginning with ULTRA, one of the things that immediately grabbed me, as a reader, was your incorporation of various forms of media. You have the covers, which reference various magazine covers, and the internal layouts are very cinematic, almost film-like. It appears that this cinematic style will continue in GIRLS. Where did this approach come from, and is it something fans can come to expect from future titles in the “Luna-verse?”
Jonathan Luna: Part of ULTRA’s many themes is media and how it can be absurd sometimes. When Josh and I watch TV, I guess we can be a bit cynical when it comes to the way it portrays everything–distorting, stretching, or even being completely misinforming. A big influence comes from reading Chuck Palahniuk. Ever since we read Invisible Monsters, our cynicism towards media in general rose to great heights. [Laughs]
In terms of my cinematic style, I’m influenced by anime, Hiroaki Samura, Bryan Hitch, and Travis Charest. Though, I don’t consciously try to emulate the said influences.
Mario: What sort of TV diet do you guys maintain? Do either of you find anything redeeming on the tube these days?
Jonathan: Before ULTRA, I watched a lot of TV — I tried to catch every show I could. But it wasn’t exactly all for entertainment. As I watched the shows, I’d study storytelling methods–structure, shot compositions, lighting, etc. I’d also sketch as I watched, trying to capture body figures and facial expressions. It was like an exercise — I’d have to draw very fast.
Lost is pretty much the only show I watch on network TV. I think it’s one of the greatest shows created in television history. Josh and I capture The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and The Wire on DVD. Oh, and I watch Conan O’Brien almost every night.
Mario: Speaking of Lost, what theories do you guys have regarding the island and the strange things occurring? What do you think is inside of Locke’s hatch?
Jonathan: I actually try not to figure out the conclusion when I’m watching a TV show or movie. I just enjoy the ride.
Joshua: Well, first off, how are we sure this is an island? They’ve never really shown an overhead shot of the place, so is this just an assumption on the survivors’ part? And as for the strange happenings, my theories on that tend to fluctuate. One minute I think they’re not really there (physically) — they’re in purgatory, or undergoing hypnotherapy in a psych ward. Next minute I’m sure it’s scientific research gone bad. Then, I just go back to not knowing crap. It’s a vicious cycle, I tell you.
But Locke’s hatch definitely opens up to a porta-potty.
Mario: That should shed some light on why he’s been so determined to get inside the hatch all this time. I’ve heard that the writers keep up on a lot of the fans’ theories and whatnot, and this helps shape the course of the show within the boundaries that they’ve already established in plotlines. You guys are both very interactive with your fans via your website forums, how important is this sort of connection to your fanbase and does it have any affect on your work?
Jonathan: The connection that we have with our fans is incredibly important to us. We read and answer every single letter that we receive. If someone takes the time to read our book and write us about it, the least we can do is say “thank you.”
I don’t see that it has much of an affect on our work. We know what we want to see in our work, and we’re pretty hard on ourselves as it is. Mario: Going back to ULTRA, you carry the cinematic style a bit further on your website, featuring “animations” of each issues’ intro panels. Have you guys pondered doing anything more “full length” in nature as far as animation goes?
Joshua: We grew up on Disney and Anime, as well as a ton of films in general, so there’s always been a part of us that wanted to experiment in those fields. Of course, we’re primarily sequential art guys, but there are just some things that cannot be done in the comic book medium–namely sound and motion. When you have these two elements at your disposal, you’re working on a totally different wavelength. Not to say that either medium is better than the other, they’re just two means to tell a story. And Jon and I are all about telling stories, in any shape or form, so we’d love to get into that stuff sometime down the road.
Jonathan: By the way, many of the animations on our website are done by our talented and good friend, Giancarlo Yerkes. You can see more of his work at http://www.newpanic.com.
Mario: A Luna Brothers anime would be very interesting, partly because Jonathan’s art in ULTRA feels as though characters on the verge of movement to begin with, but also because of the emphasis you both place on telling a visual as well as verbal story. Just for fun, if the opportunity ever arose to create an animated feature would you guys prefer to start from scratch, telling an entirely new story featuring new characters, or would you consider revisiting the world of ULTRA in this format?
Jonathan: When we first started ULTRA, we played with the idea of ULTRA being a film, and whether or not it was animated or live-action. I’d prefer live-action. But if we ever did an animated film, I’d very much like to tell a new story.
Mario: A live action film? Very interesting. I’ve read elsewhere that you would love to direct films. If given a Frank Miller-esque opportunity of directing ULTRA, who would you love to see as your principle cast?
Jonathan: Josh and I have played with this, but it’s been difficult to cast the whole book. Although Pearl is Hispanic, I’d really like to see Evangeline Lilly (Lost) as ULTRA. She plays a great character with internal struggles.
Mario: If you threw together a “soundtrack” to complement the ULTRA comics, what would it consist of?
Jonathan: When it comes to soundtracks, I’m pretty adamant about using instrumental-only music. John Williams, James Horner, and Hans Zimmer-like scores, would be to-die-for.
For example, my only gripe about Spiderman 2, the film, was that they used a Jet song (“Hold On”) with lyrics. Thing is–I love Jet. But it makes the film less timeless. Ten years down the road, chances are the song won’t sound as great as Danny Elfman’s score.
Mario: Another identifiable distinction within ULTRA was that of your protagonist, Pearl Penalosa. What is really intriguing with Pearl is that she is a culturally diverse heroine, yet her ethnicity never really gets pushed to the foreground. It’s there, and it is definitely a part of who she is, but it isn’t all that she is. I felt that this was one of many subtle touches that flesh out her character, and I related to this aspect of the book on a personal level. Can you tell a little bit about where this approach to her background stems from?
Jonathan: Somewhere in the beginning of the series, I tried to make ULTRA as ethnically diverse as possible without smothering it in your face. I guess I’m hoping that some day, this subject won’t even be an issue, but something that is widely accepted, to see different races or cultures in a comic book – or any other medium for that matter.
Another reason could be that we lived in Italy for seven years of our life as military brats. I think our love for Italy shows, and during our stay there, we made visits to other countries, Spain included.
It wasn’t shown in the book, but Pearl’s family came from Rota, Spain. It’s a beautiful town of white buildings in Southern Spain that faces Morocco across the Strait of Gibraltar. Pearl was born in Spring City, but I wanted her to have some roots to such a beautiful place.
Mario: It’s intriguing to learn more about Pearl’s background. One of the only ways to really make race and culture “issues” a non-issue is to treat them as such, and with Pearl her cultural identity is never smothering, as you put it. In fact, it isn’t really until the end of the first issue’s answering machine sequence that any distinction is ever really hinted at. Do you feel that infusing your work with cultural identity, however subtle it may be, is something that is important to you and the comic book industry?
Jonathan: It’s not really a priority of ours. We generally just like to mix things up sometimes. The most important thing for us is telling the best story that we can, provoking thought, and having fun.
Mario: I was reading the letters column in Powers #9 the other night and low and behold, a letter praising Powers: Forever from none other than Jonathan Luna. So what other books, besides Powers, have you both been reading collectively and individually?
Joshua: Locas: A Love & Rockets story, Blankets, Y: The Last Man, Optic Nerve, Blade of the Immortal, 100 Bullets, Walking Dead to name a few.
Jonathan: Josh and I pretty much read the same stuff. To add, is Preacher, Alias, Kabuki and Transmetropolitan.
Mario: Jonathan, your sequential work on your website consists of some interesting pairings of characters from both Marvel and DC. The result almost feels as if these characters have been “dipped” into your own tangent “Luna-verse.” MONTHLY really stands out, blending a knock down drag out brawl between two unlikely foes with the humor behind the title of the sequential. Could you see yourself tackling books or characters from either of the two big houses? If yes, which ones pique your interest as an artist?
Jonathan: Yes, I could. For DC, I’ve always wanted to do Batman. I think playing with the “gothic” in Gotham City would be a lot of fun. For Marvel, I’d love to work on a Sentry story.
Mario: Josh, how about you, would you prefer to continue working with characters of your own creation primarily, or are there any pre-established characters that you would like the opportunity to play around with as writer?
Joshua: I love my characters but I’m always up for a new challenge. So, a healthy balance of both would be ideal. But to be honest, I didn’t really grow up on a lot of mainstream comic books, so I wouldn’t say I’m too well-versed in the history behind these characters. There’d be some research involved, but yeah–I’d definitely love to play with some of the big icons from the “big two” like Superman, Supergirl, Hulk, Spiderman, you name it. That’d be fun.
Mario: Let’s talk a bit about your upcoming 12 issue series, GIRLS. Where did the inspiration come from to do a book centering on the battle of the sexes?
Joshua: I’d never ever claim to be an authority on gender issues, but for some reason, Jon and I tend to veer towards this type of genre–maybe because it’s so universal. I mean, everyone deals with the opposite sex, and not just in a sexual sense. We all love each other at one point, and then hate each other, only to love each other again, and so on. The male/female bond is one bittersweet cycle after another-a constant “battle.” I think it’s that old saying that got the ball rolling for GIRLS: “Women/Men…can’t live with them, can’t live without them.”
There’s a lot of truth to that, and we wanted to really explore this idea. Basically, what it boils down to is–men and women are just different. Well, we’re equal in terms of everyone having equal rights and opportunities obviously, but in an anatomical, psychological, and physiological manner of speaking, we’re different. I’m making generalizations here, but why are women able to recall every outfit they’ve worn in the past two decades, when men simply struggle to find clean underwear? Why do men tend to speak in sentences, while women speak in paragraphs? Why do women shop and eat ice cream, to blow off steam, while men invade countries?
Okay, I’m already treading very dangerous ground with this topic. [Laughs] But that’s what makes this story so exciting to me. We want to figure out what makes us so different, and what inevitably brings us together. Through a diverse cast of characters, we’ll attempt to answer-or at least raise-some big questions. But GIRLS won’t be your typical sappy love story. We’re introducing that crazy X-factor, something that will turn our world upside down and obliterate political correctness and social etiquette in order to get to something raw and, hopefully, honest. It will literally and figuratively be a no-holds-barred, drag out battle of the sexes. To see what the hell we mean by that, you’ll have to check the book out. [wink]
Jonathan: The “12-issue” thing is loose, too. It could be 18 issues. It could be even more… We don’t know at the moment.
Mario: Joshua’s response, particularly the comment about how men and women differ from one another reminded me of Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut, which was sort of a dissertation on how men and women’s psychological interpretations of infidelity differ due from one another due to physiological and anatomical differences between the genders. For women, infidelity can be entirely internalized. Thoughts of desire, even if never acted upon, can be just as dangerous to women as a physical betrayal. To men, infidelity is usually only equated to the physical, you can see plenty of physical examples at sites like cartoon porno. On the other hand, it can be about the exploration and intimacy of sex, and the connection or lack of connection that you can have with another person. There are porn sites out there you can enjoy, of course, but you wouldn’t call enjoying an adult film a betrayal. You can see this as you exploring the intimacy of your desire on a personal level. You can even search online for What is the best sex machine if you want to continue to explore that intimate experience. The movie shows both the psychological effect outside experiences and fantasies have on a relationship in terms of infidelity, as well as how personal and intimate desires can differ from person to person. I’m curious whether both of you have screened the film and if so, what did you guys think of it?
Jonathan: I love Eyes Wide Shut. I remember it being a great exploration of sex, sexual attraction, and infidelity. I’m not the type to watch a lot of movies over and over again, but this one is an exception. And it’s not just for the sex scenes, either. Besides, there are websites such as porn 7 out there for people looking for that sort of adult material!
Joshua: Unfortunately, I haven’t had a chance to watch the film, but I heard good things. Yeah, the differences you pointed out are dead on. Those are the kind of things we hope to convey through GIRLS.
Mario: It sounds like you’re prepared to push the issues of gender tension to the extremes with GIRLS, are either of you concerned about any risks of losing some of the audience you’ve found with ULTRA due to the “crazy X-factor” you just described?
Joshua: We definitely wanted to create an extreme situation for GIRLS, in order to bring out extreme, rewarding results. And even though we throw in this crazy X factor, I believe the story’s accessibility will remain intact because we definitely want to approach both sexes fairly. When it comes to our characters, I’m an equal opportunist — everyone’s poop stinks. Everyone’s human.
And yeah, there’s always a risk involved when you tackle something new, but the worst thing Jon and I could’ve done was to capitalize on the little success we’ve gained with ULTRA and churn out something derivative. Readers are incredibly sophisticated these days — they know when they’re being pandered to. So we basically chose GIRLS for the same reason we chose ULTRA — because we fell in love with the characters and the story. We have to like it before anyone else does, and that’s really our way of respecting the audience…and ourselves. So, all we can do is hope for the best and, who knows? Maybe the readers we found with ULTRA will grow to enjoy this one as well. I mean, we certainly don’t intend to alienate anyone, but I really believe that people, we and the readers alike, have a genuine desire to see something different — a desire to see artists challenge themselves.
And come on, with “ultimate battle of the sexes” for a high concept, you gotta be curious!
Mario: Definitely! Another thing that excites me about this project, and your guys’ work in general, is that you are bringing approaches and ideas to comics that aren’t usually tackled in the more mainstream books. How important is it for you guys to maintain this level of artistic freedom on your projects?
Joshua: Thanks, man. I guess we never thought of our work as being anything different from the norm. We’d never try to figure out what’s missing from mainstream books and decide how to shake things up. I guess we just do what excites and entertains us.
And yeah, artistic freedom is extremely important for any artist. There’s no room for inhibitions when it comes to your craft because art is all about self-expression. And you can’t fully express yourself when you’re wearing a straight jacket.
Jonathan: Word.
